"UK Bass" vs "UK Club"


#1

There’s been rumblings in the last year or so about “UK Club” music as this new sound coming out of the UK (https://djmag.com/longreads/uk-club-music-evolving-how) and I really struggle to see what the difference is between this and “UK Bass” with Night Slugs and the like. Night Slugs are even cited as an influence in that article.

I figured it was just a new name but then resident advisor have both as genre tags for reviews and are posting to my mind pretty interchangeable music to both at the same time. (https://www.residentadvisor.net/music/genre/club and https://www.residentadvisor.net/music/genre/bass)

Can anyone actually define what the difference is? Is it just a different generation?


#2

yeah i dunno, “Club” and “Bass” sort of sound like bullshit catch all terms to me, but likely have roots somewhere. To preface this, I’m a guy living on the West Coast of America so anyone UK rooted feel free to correct me, but here’s what i’d guess.

UK Club may be riffing off Balitimore and Jersey Club which came outta the 90s

UK Bass is probably riffing off the Post Dubstep Night Slugs stuff, which is also paying homage to Club sounds. To me theyre interchangeable but maybe they mean different things to the youf these days

anyway heres some more songs i dug up that i like :man_shrugging:t2:

when i hear the phrase UK Bass I think about 0:50 of this one, that sorta bass, which youll find lots in what i know as UK Funky or UK Garage

when I hear the phrase UK Club I think of this song, or at least this type of sound


#3

I guess where I’d distinguish UK “club” from “bass” is in how they treat the low end. In most “bass” genres there’s an emphasis on throbbing sub bass as the primary element, with more percussive elements layered on top. I hear this approach all the way back to LFO’s Track 4, through jungle, dnb, dubstep, grime - they all have this emphasis on sub frequencies, often giving the track a halftime feel underneath double-time percussion. Dub and soundsystem culture is the running current through this.

To me the “club” thing is new in its emphasis on heavy, syncopated percussion over sub-bass. It opts for syncopated kick drums punctuating the low end, rather than sustained subs. This gives it a more uptempo, forward-motion feel at ~130 or 140, vocal snippets, synth lines layered over top…

this one’s a little more “deconstructed” but still carries the same kind of feel:

As they mentioned in the article, as opposed to its deconstructed counterpart, “club” is actually fun.

People seem hesitant these days to declare something “new,” as “everything’s been done before,” and “everything is just a combination of previous styles,” but to me a lot these tracks do bring something new that I was not hearing in the 2000s. There’s definitely a US club influence (jersey, juke, ballroom, bounce), but they take those beats and graft these grime/hardstyle type synths onto it, with all this slamming stop-and-go metallic percussion that’s reminiscent of industrial, but with a satisfying amount of negative space between each beat. Its kind of funny to me its called “club” because, although I’m sure it sounds great it the club, it really comes off to me as a new breed of UK rave music, with all the classic E’d up production cues - frantic percussion, forward-momentum energy, synth riffs/arpeggios/motifs, massive basslines, warped vocals samples. The first time I heard this music I was rolling at a rave, and it just clicked.

The kind of hodgepodge of styles and samples and rhythms all slammed together kind of reminds me of early UK hardcore, but while that movement was relentlessly euphoric, this new wave sounds much less optimistic and more grounded in contemporary realities, like we’re all broke and alienated so let’s get fucked up and go hard while we’re still on this planet.

This is the best example of this vibe I’ve heard in a mix:


#4

Both posts above are good accounts of it I think, and you’re all right that it’s fairly arbitrary. But these two are the crux of it for me:

UK Club may be riffing off Balitimore and Jersey Club which came outta the 90s

UK Bass is probably riffing off the Post Dubstep Night Slugs stuff, which is also paying homage to Club sounds. To me theyre interchangeable but maybe they mean different things to the youf these days

My reservation would be that I most associate Night Slugs with a lot of stuff that riffs on the US ‘club’ styles (ballroom, Jersey, Baltimore particularly) - this is like the Club Constructions era, post-Classical Curves. And I would guess that a lot of the influence on the new artists will be from this later Night Slugs era and those who were immediately influenced by them. But could be wrong here.

But some others would primarily associate Night Slugs more with the ‘bass’ sound which came out of the ‘post-dubstep’ melange and I think of as being more an earlier period for them. I’m thinking of the pre-Classical Curves Jam City EPs, early Mosca, the first Egyptrixx album and so on. But it’s all slightly more rooted in UK styles.

It’s a bit softer percussion wise, bass pressure coming more from sub lines than hard bassy percussion as in the later ‘club’ era. Lots of UK people and labels were doing this at the time (late 200s early 2010s) and subsequently, whereas this has been less the case with the club stuff until fairly recently. And ‘bass’ can also refer to a lot of more mainstream stuff in the UK - basically kind of house music with the kind of bassy sheen that has been popular here for a long time now. Whereas club probably refers more exclusively to less accessible stuff.

But I am slightly out of the loop tbh so could be wrong on all counts.