New category for writing requested


#1

It seems that, even though we are principally discussing music and culture here, the primary form of communication we share is written. Yet there is still no category for printed matter. A few threads about books and literature have already taken off, but please, may I suggest a new and independent category for books // magazines // blogs // columns // writers we all like? Thank you for your consideration.


#2

Seconding, this would be very nice to have.


#3

Itā€™s actually telling that a ā€œmusic writingā€ category wasnā€™t included in the initial plan for this forum (no offence and all love to patten & co). But it is evidence, to me, of just how little people care about criticism in an age of infinitely accessible cultural forms. I must admit that I donā€™t read many reviews either, unless itā€™s by a writer Iā€™m familiar with. But if we continue to disregard what writers are saying about music, I feel like the entire community suffers from a dearth of deliberative thinking and thoughtful reflection.


#4

TBH as someone who is trying their darnedest to try and write an article per month on some topic on my own personal blog, having a place where I can stick the latest one and ask for some ways to improve and get better would be ace. That and having a spot for like, book recommendations or threads about specific books would be v. interesting imho.

Shame this idea is more popular.


#5

M8s! Well, you know or donā€™t that Iā€™m all about thisā€¦I try to post as much as possible to my site zurkonic.comā€¦been on the mend health wise so been doing shorter pieces but here are some recent onesā€¦and @avery, whatā€™s your site? Would love to see it and include it in my massive blog directory:)

http://www.zurkonic.com/blog/mixes-from-loft-and-khidja

So psyched to see what everyone else has to share! I swear, music blog fever 2.0 is simmering and thrilled others are doing their own thingā€¦WRITE THE STORIES YOU WISH YOU WISH YOU WERE READING:)


#6

The url is in my bio on here. Ta for the interest, I appreciate it a lot :heart:

Have a few article ideas that Iā€™ll be hopefully doing soonish if I get off my ass. Will check your place out tooā€¦ wouldnā€™t consider my place specifically a music blog more just a ā€œwhatever I wanna talk aboutā€ blog but yea


#7

All you can do is you! I wrote a massive essay coming out as demisexual and also do art and movie reviews and interviews so I try to keep it a bit varied (or rather, representative of what Iā€™m into!) look forward to checking yours out as well:)

Edit: Aw, this is so on pointā€¦just doing you and that takes more courage than people realize!


#8

yes yes yassssss. i have been lumbering away on a number of pieces/projects as a solitary (busy as hell working 50 hrs a week grinding at the day job) writer and a proper thread just might be the motivation i need to crank on them and get to postingā€¦respect to @RAD for focusing on a particular element of ā€œdeliberative thinking and thoughtful thinkingā€ that i think gets washed away in our constant feed/stream livesā€¦iā€™ve heard the term ā€œslow thinkingā€ being thrown around and like it lotsā€¦space for communal contemplation is rareā€¦connections through comment exchanges might build trust and community in a way that create and hold space for some fun wordplay and back and forth with respectful criticismsā€¦speaking of emotional and verbal/written connections, @zurkonic this phrase demisexual has me intrigued as i can identify with lots about it according to what i googledā€¦looking forward to the piece when u post! yeah so lets carve out a little writers nook in this 55fiveryā€¦


#9

Ok, Iā€™m really feeling all of this. And beautiful words @nickecks. Working that much and still finding the ability to write is truly magicalā€¦I know in my ten years working full time in, ugh, digital marketing, it wasnā€™t until I was let go that I suddenly realized what i actually want to do (with writing and music). My whole reason in starting my site was both to write the articles I wasnā€™t reading anywhere but also as a challenge to what @RAD so eloquently identified:

ā€œBut if we continue to disregard what writers are saying about music, I feel like the entire community suffers from a dearth of deliberative thinking and thoughtful reflection.ā€ This is basically what my HCC article is about in a large way, how we donā€™t really pay any critical mind to what music journos write and the decline in informed musical debate Iā€™ve seen as a result (ah, sweet 555-5555:)

Anyhoo, @nickecks really said it better than I couldā€¦which is awesome cuz thatā€™s what this should be for, to push one another as writers and offer support and help. Also, just from my own experience, I would be happy to edit othersā€™ writing in exchange for doing the same w my postsā€¦I never have the patience to do a proper edit and thatā€™s something I need to change.

That said, the demisexual piece (which drives a lot of my traffic actually) was published last yearā€¦I need to restructure my site as content is clearly getting buried. I had a friend help edit this piece over the six months it took to write as I was really figuring out my sexuality in real timeā€¦hope you find it interesting and please, do not hestitate to write me with any questionsā€¦itā€™s both a very simple concept and notā€¦

http://www.zurkonic.com/blog/2017/3/02/im-demisexual-male-demisexuality-explained


#10

Excellent words from you both tbh; I think my proposition is thus - We should have a ā€œWriting Generalā€ type thread on the Everything Else category for the time being and from there we can bounce feedback and ideas around. Perhaps maybe a couple threads. I think the topic is a little bit too specific to dedicate an entire subforum to it but thereā€™s definitely room for a full on feedback/ideas/general writing discussion thread or two.


#11

@zurkonic yo, you have to read @averyā€™s crazy wormhole of an article on the patten Easter eggs leading up to Psi


#12

Those things are kind of adorable to look back on in retrospect because I was totally expecting it all to lead up to something big but it was still a fun adventure nonetheless


#13

I mean, cā€™mon, you found ascii art hidden in html code, soā€¦idk man, thatā€™s pretty impressive to idiots like myself :slight_smile:


#14

twas just a view-source: away~


#15

I rest my case :slight_smile:


#16

Huh, I somehow missed these when I looked at @averyā€™s blogā€¦but I have the most remdial coding know-howā€¦I worked in SEO though so I do know how to check source codes, just never do;)

I just wanted to say to yā€™all that I might continue to disappear for the next month or two as Iā€™m dealing with some truly real shit and any moment I have not spent freaking out Iā€™m working on essay (which is basically a book now)ā€¦but this is also the exact kind of thing I want to support and lend whatever energy and means I have left to help other writers who are writing because they have to, because they hear a piece of music and before they know it, theyā€™ve written 5000 words. That also takes A LOT OF FUCKING PRACTICE and the old cliche is too trueā€¦the only way to get good at anything is by doing it (though FUCK that Malocom Gladwell nonsenseā€¦shit canā€™t be quantified, you just gotta do it as that will increase understanding with bolsters a wider and more-informed perspective.)

But Iā€™m also dealing with the most real of shit (abject poverty and crippling depression) so just know my absences are almost certainly due to thatā€¦but I will try and contribute however Iā€™m able to. Supporting kindred souls and bringing in others not like us but who feel and think like us is the project, in my book, and Iā€™ll continue to help however I can.

Also, in the spirit of sharing, hereā€™s my review of seeing Batu the other nightā€¦seeing him, Ploy, Piezo, and Forest Drive West tonight so beyond excited. LIke everything I write, review was written during dawn following the show so itā€™s probably not the best writing but hopefully contains a few good lines.


#17

Stay strong buddy - Weā€™re here for you. Take those breaks as needed, thereā€™s no obligation for showing up to friendly chats like this :heart:


#18

Thanks yā€™allā€¦just can see a genuinely healthy community emerging as a response to the lifestyle-ification and corporatization of music writing and I want to support anyone who is willing to spend their free time doing that. Because at the end of the day, weā€™re all here because we share a passion for music that can be all-consumingā€¦and Iā€™m not seeing that passion in any ā€œprofessionalā€ writing. I see the seeds of an individualistic collective being sown, if you willā€¦<3<3<3


#19

As true for writing as anything else, probably more so.


#20

Meant to share this with yā€™all last week, but honestly it was just so emotionally taxing I havenā€™t really had the energyā€¦till now.

Iā€™m sharing this anecdote as part-cautionary tale, part-learning experience. A little over a week ago, I published a review (which I seemed to have shared already above) of Batuā€™s two-hour mindmelter of a set to an audience of 30-40 people in the back room of some bushwick venue. It was sick. Opening for him was the local DJ Shy Eyez, someone I didnā€™t know anything about but from the second I heard her drop Laksaā€™s ā€œDelicates,ā€ I genuinely was like, at last! A kindred spirit! (Smart bass sets like that in BK are rarer than talented DJā€™s). Anyhoo, as I was standing with Omar and Mike Bloom of the promising Madd Jazz label, I found myself watching the stage (I make a point of closing my eyes during DJ sets as only then do I feel like I can really hear whatā€™s going on).__

But, since I was watching the stage, I was admittedly perturbed by her presence as, for a music that makes me move my body is all kinds of ways, I couldnā€™t understand why someone would appear so detached. And i commented on this as a bit of ā€œconstructive criticismā€ in my original review (since redacted).

OK, so fast forward to 5 days later and I get an email that just reads ā€œLOL Hodge.ā€ Eventually I figure out that my friend is referring to his Twitter where he royally and rightfully handed me a new one. At first, admittedly, I was a bit defensive about my right to have an opinion until I scrolled through some of the 35 pile-on comments and saw someone make the observation equating my critique with telling women to smile more (which, if youā€™ve ever been anywhere in America, youā€™ve likely seen a creepy old man tell a young woman thatā€¦itā€™s super heinous). Suddenly, my cheeks turned bright red as I realized how unfair that criticism on my part was as I didnā€™t apply it to any of the male DJā€™s and given her DJ name, clearly performance anxiety is an issue. Suffering from crippling anxiety myself and being a proud, lifelong feminist, I was shocked how I could have said something so sexist and ignorant about mental health (though, through long conversations with people who know me, I do understand what I was trying to get at as it was more of a general critique about local DJā€™s but thatā€™s irrelevant. What I wrote was deeply insensitive and potentially harmful to someone quite talented)__

The reason Iā€™m sharing this is as much as it sucks to fuck up like that, try to not get defensive right away. Remember that_no matter what_you intend to say, if someone takes offense to it, that means you probably didnā€™t think it through all the way in terms of how it could be interpreted. If I had an editor or, you know, re-read what I wrote at least once, I would have likely realized how that would read.

So, what do you do in such a situation? Apologize, apologize, and then apologize some more. Believe me, Iā€™m all about fighting the good fight for free speech when itā€™s warranted, but this was a case in which it so was not. Fortunately, Hodge was quite understandingā€“he would have DMā€™d me if he had realized it was my site as he was sharing just a screen shot of the offensive textā€“as was Shy Eyez, whom I wrote a long apology letter to. But seeing that this is a thread about writing, it occurred to me that social media fall-out is a real issue that we all have to navigate and this was a massive learning lesson for me. As Hodge pointed out himself, if I had levied such criticisms as Batu and the other DJā€™s, then it wouldnā€™t have been as shitty of a thing to say (though also, what responsibility does a DJ have as a ā€œperformerā€ after allā€¦Iā€™m someone who dances like crazy when he DJā€™s, but that doesnā€™t mean every DJ does nor should). It really is all about the music.

Anyhoo, hope this is potentially helpful to yā€™allā€¦it sucked to go through, but I came out a more sensitive writer, I hope;)