thanks! just entered 33 aka my jesus year so doing my best to spread the psychedelic PLUR clown blacklit k hole gospel and not get crucified on socials.
yeah i agree with the blanket statement danger, one of my preferred ways to engage lots of people in dialogue in a forum is to make a big blanket statement to catch lots of eyeballs and see who wants to challenge me to distill it, as you have done, and then from there start to comb out the knots of what we’re really talking about…
i think this, as most things do post 2008 or so, boils down to a big issue we all seem to have with this thing called authenticity. now past discussions on this concept in the early days of this thread veered super critical theory art school hauntologically-oriented-meta-blabber so im gonna do my best to keep it in laymans in the interest of keeping the discussion more accessible.
some of us grew up in cultures of hip hop, rave, soul, or something “cool”. others (like me) grew up in towns on the edge of the urban centers where these cultures were boiling the stew that all of us now eat to feed our souls. suburban and rural kids come to these cultures and, ideally, integrate by learning the rules of the game. in hip hop that meant you grabbed a can or a marker, learned to breakdance, practiced rapping or beatboxing with your boys, or borrowed some turntables and bought wax. In rave culture that meant you drove ridiculous distances to roll all night and meet friends you normally wouldn’t talk to unless they wanted to give you a bracelet with some candy on it. in other places it was just the kids on the block doin’ their thing and the whole neighborhood knew everyone else cus it nobody was moving in / out and all you had was each other i.e. the hood.
Around the early 2000s the internet, gentrification and social mobility for millenials changed all of this. Now you had (and currently have) kids who never actually physically participated in the cultures they are attempting to be a part of via the interwebs, they just watched mad YouTube videos and listened to mix after mix after mix and dissected (deconstructed) what they were hearing in a very isolated, mental way. This creates an aesthetic of “i wasn’t/cant be there but i think this is what it feels like to be there” for me.
Juke and Footwork kids are in the South side of Chicago dancing and sampling Dad’s House records and Mom’s sould records. And for that matter kids in Croydon will be dancing and sampling Dad’s FSOL albums and Mom’s Orbital…but for me the ones that grew up in a cultural wasteland have to fake it before they make it because instead of going to the rave and meeting people all they have is comment threads and algorithms.
Which leads to a larger problem, ill try not to soapbox about it…but spaces. Where does incubation occur? Online? Yes, sometimes, but more often I_R_FUCKING_L!!! Plastic People was an ecology of dancers, musicians and cultural workers that reinvigorated lots of burnt out UK things. The Low End Theory spun out over a decades’ worth of albums and an incredible Los Angeles sound. Without physical spaces and accessible stages for amateur musicians, djs and producers to meet each other and share tracks / ideas / form an aesthetic there will not be new music.
It’s in the long term plan for me to create a space like this but i have some travelling learning and stacking of dollars to do before im ready…